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Requested move at Talk:List of grape varieties#Requested move 11 February 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of grape varieties#Requested move 11 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 21:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
Requested move of Taraxacum
[edit]Just a heads up to folks here that there's been a requested move of Taraxacum → Dandelion, especially since it involves plant common name questions we frequently deal with in the plant world. There was a similar move request a few years ago. More at Talk:Taraxacum#Requested_move_13_March_2025 KoA (talk) 23:40, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
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no sources for "carnation" as a common name for Caryophyllaceae
[edit]Both the lead and the taxobox for Caryophyllaceae describe "carnation" as common names for this family, but neither provides a citation. I also see it listed as an alias on Wikidata (Caryophyllaceae (Q25995)), but find no citation there either. It doesn't seem from the project's documentation that citations are required for common names as they are for e.g. synonyms per se, but I wanted to reach out because it feels dicey to me (and I'm not very familiar with the conventions for editing articles on organisms).
The only source mentioned in your docs through which I could find metadata re: common/vernacular names was World Flora Online, which listed only "Pink Family,"[1] citing eFloras (which itself cited a book section authored by the eFloras entry's editor).[2] I've only found equivalent mention of Caryophyllaceae as the "carnation family" is Caryophyllaceae at the Encyclopædia Britannica, but I have no idea where that comes from either!
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spida-tarbell 𐡸 (talk • contribs) 07:06, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Seems it is easily verifiable as this Google search finds many uses. Citations aren't absolutely required if the information is WP:Verifiable. — Jts1882 | talk 08:57, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
- Personally I'm not particularly keen on this usage, but it has been and is in widespread use.
- https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=campion+family%2Cchickweed+family%2Cpink+family%2Ccarnation+family&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 Lavateraguy (talk) 09:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
While working on Brymela, I noticed that World Flora Online and Bryonames are now placing this genus (alongside Actinodontium, Amblytropis, Callicosta, Callicostella, Callicostellopsis, Cyclodictyon, Diploneuron, Helicoblepharum, Hemiragis, Hookeriopsis, Hypnella, Lepidopilidium, Lepidopilum, Neohypnella, Philophyllum, Pilotrichidium, Stenodesmus, Stenodictyon, Thamniopsis, and Trachyxiphium) in Callicostaceae rather than Pilotrichaceae, with Pilotrichaceae now considered a synonym of Neckeraceae as of the December 2023 snapshot. WFO usually follows Goffinet and Buck's Classification of extant moss genera (last updated March 2020), which leaves most of those genera in Pilotrichaceae, but WFO seems to have split from that classification for reasons I'm not aware of. These are mostly redlinks, so there shouldn't be too much clean-up work (which I'm quite willing to handle if no one else beats me to it), however, I have no idea what should be done with the Pilotrichaceae article - should it simply be redirected to Neckeraceae? I'm hesitant to do so without understanding the rationale behind the current WFO placements, which I haven't been able to figure out. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 08:31, 28 March 2025 (UTC)